I'm using 100w Marshall with 25w Celestions Greenbacks 4x12 and Gibson/Fender guitars.

I would like to try TREBLE BOOSTER, but I can't buy and try them all on my own.

Please, tell me, what do you think I should go for and why. I'm not after antique pedals, clones are OK I think at this stage, but I won't mind to learn more about first boosters.
I hope to get feedback here to help me to make a decision what to purchase.

Thanks!!









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your post made mention of a power cut device...that would be a marshall power break, very recomended here. it wil allow you to crank the hello out of your amp while not blasting everyone in the room /house into next month .
the tube screamer comes to mind , but you didnt give any info on what you plan on doing with it ok? Also you said you have a 100 watt marshall , but you didnt say which one? most Marshalls wil give plenty of high end gain with more than enough feedback to raise the dead.
sorry i didnt realize this sounded so harsh, its not meant to be at all ok?








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It's all good

My amp is tube 30th Anniversary, a lot of options and half (50W) too.

It is all started as I wanted vintage tone. I was told use Treble Booster, just you have to crank it up. I do not have time and money getting my thing to rehearsal studio all the time I need to play. So, I was told - use attenuator. Other opinions - use software (I do not like softwars, well, just to practice, not to record...). Second option is to get a small tube amp and crank it instead of 100W into 12x4 with attenuator. How small amp? Some say 5W... still need attenuator.

Before I bought anything I wanna ask as many questions as you guys can answer

I hope this topic is kinda helps to many like me, not just me.

Thanks for input!

P.S.
Power brake: Marshall? Weber? Hot Plate?
Treble Booster: which one is the best to reproduce Gallagher, Blackmore, Clapton, Page, Iomi, Santana.... ????

hey sounds to me that all you really need is a metal zone or a "Boss" overdrive pedal. both will give you the boost you need with out moving everyone into next week.
i guess i should have asked you wich marshall do you have?
the one i have here is a JCM 900 dual reverb lead or something like that ...no i dont like it at all. but ill fix it and sel it or what ever.
anyway, which one do you have ?








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30th Anniversary model 6100 (head)

* Three channels, each with selection switches
* Channel 1 (mid shift and bright)
* Channel 2 (contrasting crunch modes)
* Channel 3 (gain boost and mid band contour selection)
* Channel switching by footswitch, midi control, or from front panel switches with LED indicator)

* Sensitivity switches, one each for low or high compensation, to match guitar pickup
* Power control allows high (4 valve, 100 watts) or low (2 valve, 50 watts) mode output
* Pentode or triode mode operation in either mode gives effective power range from 100 down to 25 watts
* Power amp damping control for tighter sound and fuller distortion: high, low, or auto.
* Auto mode damping pre-selects the right damping to the correct channel

* Comprehensive effects loop provides level control, series or parallel selection
* Separate send level trim: one each for clean and overdrive channels (-10 to +4 each)
* Balanced output with level control features authentic compensation for a real direct to board guitar sound
* Impedance selector

* NOTE: The 6100 series amplifiers do not have built-in reverb



Output Valves:
* 4 x 5881

Preamp Valves:
* 7 x ECC83 (12AX7A)


That's amp I'm talking about. I'm using vintage 4x12 cab with Celestions 25W Greenbacks with it...

Thanks for your reply!

thunderson wrote:

your post made mention of a power cut device...that would be a marshall power break, very recomended here. it wil allow you to crank the hello out of your amp while not blasting everyone in the room /house into next month .
the tube screamer comes to mind , but you didnt give any info on what you plan on doing with it ok? Also you said you have a 100 watt marshall , but you didnt say which one? most Marshalls wil give plenty of high end gain with more than enough feedback to raise the dead.
sorry i didnt realize this sounded so harsh, its not meant to be at all ok?

Power break sounds great till your amp melts!!!!I have melted tubes in one and damaged the transformer in 3 doing this !!!!!!!!!!Well,If you had the jcm 900 high gain 100 watt marshall-we wouldn't have this convo.I am inagining since you have gain probs,It's only 3-4 pre-amp tubes.If you do use a power break,Go to a tube guy and tell him this.sfer,The tube screamer (zyakk wilde uses this with his marshall)Is an excellent choice and you will be ok.Won't hurt your amp for sure.

canrockonthisthing wrote:

It's all good

My amp is tube 30th Anniversary, a lot of options and half (50W) too.

It is all started as I wanted vintage tone. I was told use Treble Booster, just you have to crank it up. I do not have time and money getting my thing to rehearsal studio all the time I need to play. So, I was told - use attenuator. Other opinions - use software (I do not like softwars, well, just to practice, not to record...). Second option is to get a small tube amp and crank it instead of 100W into 12x4 with attenuator. How small amp? Some say 5W... still need attenuator.

Before I bought anything I wanna ask as many questions as you guys can answer

I hope this topic is kinda helps to many like me, not just me.

Thanks for input!

P.S.
Power brake: Marshall? Weber? Hot Plate?
Treble Booster: which one is the best to reproduce Gallagher, Blackmore, Clapton, Page, Iomi, Santana.... ????

a 5 watt tube amp is still quite loud when you crank it.
i have a dr.z air brake attenuator that works great for my 5 watt epiphone valve jr all the way up to my 120 watt peavey vtm120.
if you have a great amp like your marshall , why use some crappy pedal ?
just get an attenuator and crank it up !! tube amps sound better the more you crank them.

(not in order)

I never used pedals before. I tested Metal Zone, Tube Screamer, Boss. I liked 'em. And I like my amp's sound. Well... Now I want to try Beano tones. Was told to get Dallas Range Master clone ....

Yes, the higher (amp) up, the better tone. Still, the list of big names who used Treble Booster is even longer than I could imagine before - all my fav players perhaps used one or two.. including Iomi, Blackmore, May, Gallagher, Clapton....Bolan...

Melting tubes and burning houses: those who used attenuators told me to observe oms ratings and not overdo gain and attenuation. On Weber's website they recommend buynig twice as much Wts of attenuation for you amp. I'm passing this info... My amp is 100W max, Weber makes 150W max... should do.

(Sorry, I did not understand about tubes? What should I ask tube guy? If you can, please tell me more, I missed completely)

In some commercials for pedals they say attenuators are part of many recordings' sound. I do not know much 'bout that myself.

Tube screamer was my first choice. Now it surfaced that Tube screamer is a grandson of Treble Boosters. Parts are different, since Japan manufacturing took over Germany in....in .... .....in something there.

More on amps: the only amplifier for this purpose (crank it up with Treble Booster) which does not need attenuator in apartment is.... 1W amp, like Brian May used sometimes, very costly thing. That's what others are saying.

I'm still thinking...

Re amping?

Anybody out there, can you share your knowledge how to do re amping properly?
I own Protools LE with Mbox and Digi 002.

I'm not giving up yet, just asking about re amping as an option

Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
Thanks everyone!

Christopher wrote:

thunderson wrote:

your post made mention of a power cut device...that would be a marshall power break, very recomended here. it wil allow you to crank the hello out of your amp while not blasting everyone in the room /house into next month .
the tube screamer comes to mind , but you didnt give any info on what you plan on doing with it ok? Also you said you have a 100 watt marshall , but you didnt say which one? most Marshalls wil give plenty of high end gain with more than enough feedback to raise the dead.
sorry i didnt realize this sounded so harsh, its not meant to be at all ok?

Power break sounds great till your amp melts!!!!I have melted tubes in one and damaged the transformer in 3 doing this !!!!!!!!!!Well,If you had the jcm 900 high gain 100 watt marshall-we wouldn't have this convo.I am inagining since you have gain probs,It's only 3-4 pre-amp tubes.If you do use a power break,Go to a tube guy and tell him this.sfer,The tube screamer (zyakk wilde uses this with his marshall)Is an excellent choice and you will be ok.Won't hurt your amp for sure.

a good attenuator(and by good, i mean well designed and well built), with the proper ohm setting will not "melt your tubes" or ruin your transformer. if you simply cranked your amp wide open and ran it like that without the attenuator , the same thing would have happened to your amp. with an attenuator, you can crank the amp untill the POWER tubes saturate...without the skullcrushing volume from your speakers . all the preamp gain in the world will not sound like overdriven,saturated POWER tubes. even with the "jcm 900 high gain" amp ,you still need to push the power tubes to get the best sound. this is VERY loud...thats where the attenuator comes in. you can crank up your amp to the point the POWER tubes distort/saturate , and not fry your ears.
just because the attenuator cuts the volume , your amp is still running nearly wide open....this is hard on transformers,tubes, ect. its NOT the attenuator , its the fact that you are running the piss out of your amp that will cause it to go BOOM !
i hope this clears up some of the incorrect information about power attenuators.
oh yea, 1 more thing. if you need a pedal to make your mega dollar amp sound good.....maybe you need a better amp , one with the proper amount of gain or distortion for you style of music. i understand guys using pedals,and other gadgets back in the old days when there were not any high gain, channel switching, fire breathing monster amps. these guys had to invent stuff as they went along. but today,there are plenty of great sounding amps out there. amps with tons of preamp gain that sound great. but just dont forget...its the POWER tubes that make the magick, that do the real work,and give the amp its flavor,and tone. and to get all of those wonderful tones out of the power tubes...you gotta crank it !!!!

i couldnt help note that a lot was mentioned about the jcm 900....hey thanks for the info , but i still dont like it anymore now then then ....give me a plexi and crank it....
all this comes from the old days when we had to put springs between our marshall's and the speaker box to get the right stuff out of them , now you can get a power break etc and do the same thing. i know some of you back in the 80's did the spring thing. got hotter than a mo fo but it worked . and best of all we got the sound we wanted and the bar keep kept their ears glued on!
i do agree with all of you though, if you have to get a box to get what you want (inserted between) you and your amp ...or one between your amp and your cab....hmmm do like i did either try a blanket or try another amp.
dont get me wrong though , i do like the sound of a Marshall when the right guy/gal is playing through it and the have that certain sound that i have never been able to get .....play on !








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oh yeah , as for tubes ...well you do have a choice , overdrive the preamp tubes or the power tubes. according to the Marshall web site/ owners manual, we are supposed to be able to crank either pre/post and not hurt the amp....sorry guys i have seen to many marshall's that were fried (and some caught fire) from running the amp on 10 all night ..here is a note ...Eddie Van Hallen fried his amp many times doing just that . Since i dont think a fire on stage caused by any means is a good thing, guess ill just have to settle for a box on the floor for the pre drive or a box before the speaker cab. (HMMM on the latter)








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Thanks, everyone !

The picture is getting better. I see now how much information I'm missing. (I thought "pluggin'n'playin' is good enough; playback of what you play makes you wanna talk to those who know )

Now I know it is no shame to use any Wts amp and whatever...
Some choices work better for certain things and used more... Some configurations more obscure and research is required to get to the bottom.

Yes, it is all about sound. Loudness, texture, "tone"... etc.

I have found that the most important component is "tone". At least I enjoy tone the most. Any level, stereo or mono... Always...

Sure enough, different people would go for different "flavors". As with any sense in general.

Technical side of getting "right tone" is so complicated to one who has no prior knowledge, time for research and money to experiment. (That's me !)

With this forum's help, with your help, I'm more confident now, I think I've got some basic knowledge, thanks! I know better now what attenuators and treble boosters are for and little bit of history about them too.

It looks to me know that for tone I'm trying to get closer to I need attenuator (and it is practical to have attenuator for number of reasons anyway)
Treble Booster is perhaps not that important, coz' "amps are better these days".
I think I should try treble booster anyway. In the past they helped with less efficient power amps, I think I have good chance to get tones I always liked now, using better technology. I might be wrong here...

Just in case if re amping works, I want ask you all if anybody does it with success.
It might be more practical practicing and doing takes, laying down track using software and then re amping (in apartment or elsewhere) clean tracks. I know that Line 6 let you tape processed and dry sound.

Is anybody use this approach? What is a key elements if you using Protools LE Digi002 (or MBox)? How I supposed to run levels, compression, EQ when recording? How I should plug playback into amp? Is there some devices to use or what?

I hope talking about re amping is interesting for many and it is close related to all conversation we have so far.

Rock forever!

Hi, again!

There is another attenuator: ULTIMATE ATTENUATOR. That's the name.
Anybody used one? How good or bad was it?

canrockonthisthing wrote:

Hi, again!

There is another attenuator: ULTIMATE ATTENUATOR. That's the name.
Anybody used one? How good or bad was it?

sorry cant say on this one....








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canrockonthisthing wrote:

Hi, again!

There is another attenuator: ULTIMATE ATTENUATOR. That's the name.
Anybody used one? How good or bad was it?

i have not gotten my hands on one ...yet, but from what i have read these are supposed to be fantastic. but, you never know untill you try something yourself.