You should take a look at this and see what you think. Just throwing it out there, I won't make my opinions known just yet...

http://www.guitarnuts.com/amps/myths.php









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great site...great info !








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I just wish I could find the article about pickups also. People think I'm either crazy, or a Fender single coil homer when I try to tell them that the differences between humbuckers and SC's is a lot smaller than they think. I'll find it eventually.

Anyway though, the rest of you need to read this article! every self-respecting musician for that matter needs to!

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I just wish I could find the article about pickups also. People think I'm either crazy, or a Fender single coil homer when I try to tell them that the differences between humbuckers and SC's is a lot smaller than they think. I'll find it eventually.

Anyway though, the rest of you need to read this article! every self-respecting musician for that matter needs to!

its about how they are voiced....the extra mids from a bucker pushes your amp harder.

the output helps too.








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Yes. And that they originated as simply being a hum-canceling alternative to a single coil (of course, they do a bit more than that now). I just can't help but laugh when I hear someone who thinks they're double the power. Fatter? Some of them, good ones, sure. But pickups have nothing to do with volume in the first place.

But, this is just one of those subjects that I love to talk about, because it amazes me how many musician's, even famous musician's exist in the world, who haven't the first clue about their equipment. Do you have to be gear-whores like us? No, but some intermediate-level know how is almost mandatory.

i agree 100% !!!

i am stunned by people who dont have even the beginning of a clue.

vintage 'buckers usually have a little more output than their single coil brethren...a little bit , but nothing like night and day.

and super hot pickups just have a bigger signal that pushes your amp harder...they are not "louder".

i read gear reviews on Harmony Central ,and other places , and some of the comments make me want to either laugh or cry !

some of them actually make me feel even dumber than i already am .

its madness i tell ya ...madness.
not really , its IGNORANCE .....and ignorance can be overcome with education ...stupidity can not.








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i finally read all of the article....

i didnt find anything to argue about.

there is a lot of wisdom and facts in those words.








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For the sake of argument, this was a rebuttle one of my friends gave me on that article.
Excuse the couple inside jokes (they aren't terribly funny anyway )

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its 45% accurate if you concider what is being put through the amp.

if you have a tube combo 50 watts and use the clean and gain channels only. thats the purist distortion, cleanest tones.

if you use the same amp with even only a distortion a single effect stompbox thru the clean you have automatically altered everything.

if a pedal of any kind has a "gain" rather than mix knob, it has a small pre amp within and will over boost the preamp causing extra fuzz and hiss.

tube vs solid state. again, unless you are using the onboard gains and cleans youre gonna get shit nomatter what brand wattage size etc amp/head ya use.

thus brings me to option 1.
get a good toned tube amp and run gains by its remote and effects thru its loops.

option 2.
if you are as anal as i am about having cover songs match tones of original artists. no matter how many stomp boxes, processors so on, those are your preamp. 12db initial boost is standard and any processor has a pre amp built in.

this now exludes the use of a traditional combo or head. all you now need is a 2 channel power amp. this can be used stereo or mono. the list from 50w per side, or 120w mono bridged.

this is what i have found most convenient and tone worthy however the chain of processors and such do matter.


option 3.
sound like rayce.

its a personal preference. your rig is designed to you. these factors really only matter in recording. which tends to be edited up the ass anyway. unless youre calli orth who is a one shot recordist.

the first thing that artical did wrong was say, "well give you facts". there are no facts in tone, no facts in music. the whole fuckin point is trial and error and if you dont go through 10,ooo rigs before you find the one that suits you, youre a cheap excuse for a musician and do not deserve the title "ARTIST"

that made my brain hurt








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I definitely disagree with him on a lot of points, but he is right about the trial and error bit. It's really the best way to find out what you do and don't want.

yes it is.....because what works for me and my style (or lack of one) may not work for you and yours.

but knowledge,and an open mind are super important , and can save you a lot of time and money








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chuck is right. being well versed on something will save you lots of money in the long run from those little, ooops encounters








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hey cali great reading stuff a guy told me once that you didn't need match pair tubes either that it was all a myth. don't know if thats true or not cause I still buy them matched ...lol








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straitjacket85 wrote:

hey cali great reading stuff a guy told me once that you didn't need match pair tubes either that it was all a myth. don't know if thats true or not cause I still buy them matched ...lol

its true that you dont NEED them to be matched....you amp will work with unmatched tubes ....but if you want your amp to function properly then they need to be a matched set.

it has to do with setting the bias for the tubes....if the tubes are not matched , then when you adjust the bias (or negative current) to the proper setting for one tube , then the other(s) may not be biased correctly.








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so he was full poop then about it makes no different when it does with bias them which I need to do with my laney...lol and I still need to learn to tighting up the tube springs they can be a pain...lol but the way they sings is so worth the pain they are....lol darn tubes amps....lol








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