benitosuave wrote:

i think there is something to be said for vintage gear, but lets get real. How many people sounding like Jimmy Page will be enough?

Agreed. There may not be the greatest variation in modern gear as of NOW, but I've found plenty of reasons to love my solid state amp and fairly new pedal setup, other than the nice price tags accompanied with them. It just takes more tweaking and messing around with the new stuff to get what you want. At least we live in a day and age where absolutely everything is available to you. For a price a lot of times, but it's still all there.

Well lets just put it this way. Think about all of the Guitar Gods on earth past and present. Lets see what they play

Jimi - Marshall Tubes
Slash - Marshall Tubes
Eddie Van Halen - Tubes
Eric Clapton - Tubes
Jeff Beck - Tubes
Zakk Wylde - Marshall Tubes
Dimebag - Tubes (I think)
Randy Rhodes - Tubes

Notice a pattern here. Granite soilid state wasn't around for some of these guys but I bet it wouldn't matter if it was.

So for me vintage tubes all the way. If the modern sound was better then the truly talented guitar players would be switching over and I don't see that happening.








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well...

If you are my age (not old enough to see the old "classics" in concert), you have never heard the ACTUAL vintage tones we are trying to emulate, you have only heard recordings, and most of them were recorded when there weren't as good recording techniques, and the fullness of the sound just isn't there.

I would say that you should just look at equiptment only for its good sound and not because it is what Jimmy Page used. There is some GREAT modern equiptment and there is also great vintage equiptment.

Its a little to reductive to just say one is always better than the other.

benitosuave wrote:

well...

If you are my age (not old enough to see the old "classics" in concert), you have never heard the ACTUAL vintage tones we are trying to emulate, you have only heard recordings, and most of them were recorded when there weren't as good recording techniques, and the fullness of the sound just isn't there.

I would say that you should just look at equiptment only for its good sound and not because it is what Jimmy Page used. There is some GREAT modern equiptment and there is also great vintage equiptment.

Its a little to reductive to just say one is always better than the other.

The main reason for using the vintage tones is recording. There is a much warmer deeper tone with tubes. In concert it is possible to get a good sound with solid state but it takes alot of tweaking and they are usually too distorted. But when you have the right tube amp and the right guitars all you need to do is turn it on and play.
So what you have only heard on recordings is exactly what we are talking about with the vintage sound being better.

Just try this out for proof.

Play a classic song on a good stereo system up loud, notice the crisp warm tone.

Now Play that song trough a solid state amp and try to even come close to matching that tone. In my its not gonna happen.
But everyone has their preference.








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Old School Metal
Classic Rock
Axes:
Epi Les Paul Standard
Fender Fat Strat
Dean Acoustic
Amp:
Peavey Classic 50 212

Rwieber79 wrote:

Just try this out for proof.

Play a classic song on a good stereo system up loud, notice the crisp warm tone.

Now Play that song trough a solid state amp and try to even come close to matching that tone. In my its not gonna happen.
But everyone has their preference.

I have, and I just really haven't been impressed with the tone. It sounds imbalenced, with way too much treble.

My amp is solid state, and I get the best tones when I crank it up. Tones that sound full.

i have both tube and digital heads...they both sound great for different styles....but my mesa triple rec...dominates all








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i go for a very modern, percussive sound, mostly because i do electronic music, and that's what fits.








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electronic sound? industrial stuff? what programs do you use for that?

guitarfreakyman wrote:

electronic sound? industrial stuff? what programs do you use for that?

yeah, you guessed it, i do a lot of industrial/harsh electro. i use cubasis.

gear-wise, i use Gibson guitars through a Randall (solid state) head.

Keyboard's i've used have been a Yamaha DX-7, and i just bought a Korg X5

a friend is giving me a Roland MS-1 sampler, i can't wait to get my hands on that.

i like to use old synths, the DX-7 was amazing, but i need to get it repaired now. something is wrong with it. and you can buy old synths for so cheap.








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Depends on what song or type of sound I want to emulate. In most cases all one needs to do is back off the preamp to get a more vintage sound ...and maybe adjust the erq a bit. I prefer to have both sounds at the ready. I like to have a littler of bothin my overall sound. I have a Peavy XXX (which is geared to sound more modern) although I don't run it as a "full-gain" amp. 99% of the time my preamp is set to 3.5 and the post set to 4.5 . I adjust accordingly but always try to keep the same ratio between the two. I do enjoy the overdriven modern sound BUT i want the warmth and balls that the vintage sound has to offer. Many guitarist don't realise it but you are able to achieve a heavier sound with less distortion. Also, don't be afraid of the mid.'s - this is essential in getting a good tone. A mistake I've seen many guitarists make is that they believe that scooping the mid.'s is the answer to getting a good sound. I've found that by doing so ...one's sound gets too sterile and lifeless and compressed sounding. True, there were a few bands back in the day that emulated that sound but they also used high-end gear and most of the time "that" sound wasn't achieved by scooping the mid.s in the first place. That just seems the easiest way for the laymen to acheive that sound on economy amps. That's my 2 cents ...maybe a penny more. )

tealer wrote:

whats your preference? vintage sound or modern.

Um, neither?

Why not say, Fender or Marshall?

...tube or solidstate?

...Class A or A/B?

...Brittish, Tweed, or California?

But to answer your question, it depends on what mood I'm in and what I'm playing.

Due to budget constraints, my moods is something like "DeArmond M55 and ZOOM 505"








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As far as amps go, I don't see tube amps as "vintage". Tube amps are in all ways, superior to solid states and thats why I like them. And I use a lot of effects pedals so I'm don't see myself as a vintage person.

I like a little of both worlds I like the fact that old vintage gear was built to last. I love my rack gear cause I can get any style I want with it. Its a mix of old with new mp1 and a lexicon mpx 500 amp old laney pro lead 50 tube amp w/ 5150 cab from peavey. Wont buy a new amp because most are not built to well.

12ax7 wrote:

I perfer the best of both worlds. To do otherwise would be counterproductive.

I agree to that.








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